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Explicit_Faith wrote:
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endtimesProphet wrote:
Both where part of the promise to Abraham.
Cain was a normal man and was Adams son.Genesis 4:1-3 (KJV)
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. [2] And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. [3] And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
Adam was his Father Eve was his Mother and Abel was his Brother this argument is over.
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Both were a part of the promise to Abraham? Your point was that Cain was not listed in Adams geneology because he wasnt the chosen line. Neither was Ishmael or Esau! This is what God said Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
He was NOT talking about a snake
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
God said this BEFORE Genesis 4:1.
God KNEW that Eve had conceived when she partook of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (satan).
Why would He multiply her conception BEFORE she conceived with Adam?
Why would they DISCOVER their nakedness after partaking of the tree?
Why would they cover their private areas with fig leaves? They didnt cover their mouths!
The word AGAIN in verse 2 that you quoted means to CONTINUE. What happens when a woman CONTINUES in labor? Ask a doctor. While you are at it, ask a doctor if it is possible for a woman to be pregnant with twins from 2 fathers with 2 eggs. It is.
Your side of this discussion makes it impossible for Cain and Abel to be twins, yet you discount the fact that they approached the altar at the same time with their offerings when they reached the age of accountability!
I have presented many many witnesses to what was stated. Please go back and check the Hebrew! It will add clarity and understanding! Don't fall for the old "they ate an apple" theology!
Jesus references these decendants of Cain in John 8:44. Even in the english there is no doubt as to what He is saying
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Here is ANOTHER witness for you 1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. They were BROTHERS alright, by the same MOTHER, but not the same father! Why are all the other geneologies (which are so important) in the Bible given in completeness but Cain is not listed in Adams? Adam is NOT Cains father! Try doing a study on the thorns and thistles that God speaks of in Genesis 3:18. Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; He is not just talking about briars and weeds. Do the study! Numbers 33:55 is a good place to start! Num 33:55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell. Want another one? How about the THORNS that choke out the seedlings in the parable of the sower? Think about it! With the teachings that happen out there I know this is hard to grasp and accept. I studied this repeatedly in disbelief also when I first learned of this. However, even as a child, I knew that there was more to the story in the garden than was being taught to me. It was only after I put mans teachings aside and prayed and studied the word as God gave it to us before the beauty in His plan and the truth was revealed. You MUST put aside the teachings of men and open your mind and spiritual eyes to the word of the Lord in order to gain understanding. Satan tried repeatedly in the Bible to eliminate Christ before He was even born. Then he tried to have Him killed as a baby. He was not allowed to kill Him before the time on the cross, which was God's plan.
Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Go somewhere else with your argument Im finished with this nonsence.
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ETP If you wish to call the word of God nonsense that is your business. I never once titled this an argument, you did, now twice! To me this forum is a place to discuss God's word in order to better understand. It seems that you are ONLY open to mans traditional teachings, again that is your business. I have seen errors in your postings as to biblical truths but I do not make it a point to degrade you for it or be-little your opinions. Here is a verse with you ETP in mind. Do yourself a favor and check out the word slumber in the greek. I think you will find it most appropriate for your condition. May God bless you in the reading of His word.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
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Explicit_Faith wrote:
ETP If you wish to call the word of God nonsense that is your business. I never once titled this an argument, you did, now twice! To me this forum is a place to discuss God's word in order to better understand. It seems that you are ONLY open to mans traditional teachings, again that is your business. I have seen errors in your postings as to biblical truths but I do not make it a point to degrade you for it or be-little your opinions. Here is a verse with you ETP in mind. Do yourself a favor and check out the word slumber in the greek. I think you will find it most appropriate for your condition. May God bless you in the reading of His word.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
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Look the understanding you have in this subject is your own not Gods .Again go somewhere else start your own blog and put your own understanding in it.
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ETP
EVERYTHING I have stated I have provided Biblical documentation for.
Again, read it for yourself before you discount or discredit. Dont be lazy, go back to the Hebrew and study! Just because it doesnt align with traditions doesnt mean its wrong!
We are warned repeatedly in Gods word about following traditions!
The topic had changed to the sheep that hear the voice of Christ. I gave documentation as to who those sheep are that He was referring to and provided the history along with the documentation of the history.
If you dont want to research it, Im fine with that. MOST people are too lazy to spend serious time studying. They would rather read it as a passing of time OR even worse, allow some MAN to tell them what it means instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to lead them through the word.
Just because YOU arent interested in the documenation that provides witness to what has been written does not mean that one of God's other children on this site wont gain something from it.
When you take over the admin for this site, let me know, then I will move on! I would rather not be part of your degrading slanderous inuendos and false teachings.
When YOU ETP start documenting all of YOUR teachings, I will find them more credible, until then be careful when you point a finger at someone, it typically means you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourself.
Documentation for most people being too lazy to REALLY STUDY?
Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Again, Gods words, not mine.
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Explicit_Faith wrote:
ETP
EVERYTHING I have stated I have provided Biblical documentation for.
Again, read it for yourself before you discount or discredit. Dont be lazy, go back to the Hebrew and study! Just because it doesnt align with traditions doesnt mean its wrong!
We are warned repeatedly in Gods word about following traditions!
The topic had changed to the sheep that hear the voice of Christ. I gave documentation as to who those sheep are that He was referring to and provided the history along with the documentation of the history.
If you dont want to research it, Im fine with that. MOST people are too lazy to spend serious time studying. They would rather read it as a passing of time OR even worse, allow some MAN to tell them what it means instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to lead them through the word.
Just because YOU arent interested in the documenation that provides witness to what has been written does not mean that one of God's other children on this site wont gain something from it.
When you take over the admin for this site, let me know, then I will move on! I would rather not be part of your degrading slanderous inuendos and false teachings.
When YOU ETP start documenting all of YOUR teachings, I will find them more credible, until then be careful when you point a finger at someone, it typically means you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourself.
Documentation for most people being too lazy to REALLY STUDY?
Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Again, Gods words, not mine.
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I dont base anything on tradition Im led by the Spirit. I have studied for thousands of hours fasted , prayed,seen visions .dreamed dreams and seen angels and what you say dont match what God has given me nor does it match the Hebrew as far as what understanding you are trying to portray. I will say this again start your own blog and go somewhere else with this nonsence. Im finished with you.
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Luk 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Luk 6:44
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Your attitude has once again shown your true colors and your true spirit, your fruit has shown your type of tree.
Each time you are asked to document your points, you either, insult, change the subject, dance around the question, or twist scriptural meanings.
If what I posted is false as YOU believe, show me in SCRIPTURE, not by what some vision or some angel has told you!
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
See the word translated TRANSFORMED? Check it out, in the Greek the word is DISGUISED so with proper translation this is the verse
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is DISQUISED into an angel of light.
So now then, who exactly is telling you that the word of God is false?
You say you are finished with me because I speak truth? Or are you just finished with the truth? I will pray for you brother.
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Explicit_Faith wrote:
Luk 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Luk 6:44
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Your attitude has once again shown your true colors and your true spirit, your fruit has shown your type of tree.
Each time you are asked to document your points, you either, insult, change the subject, dance around the question, or twist scriptural meanings.
If what I posted is false as YOU believe, show me in SCRIPTURE, not by what some vision or some angel has told you!
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
See the word translated TRANSFORMED? Check it out, in the Greek the word is DISGUISED so with proper translation this is the verse
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is DISQUISED into an angel of light.
So now then, who exactly is telling you that the word of God is false?
You say you are finished with me because I speak truth? Or are you just finished with the truth? I will pray for you brother.
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Go away you wouldnt know the truth if it hit you between the eyes As far as fruit goes Show me yours . How many have you won to the Lord. How many have you prayed for and they where healed. How many miracles have you been a part of. How many 3rd. world countries have you been to and preached the word of God. How many Orphans and widows have you helped or support. The proof is in the pudding how much do you have. Please go somewhere else with your false doctrine.
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endtimesProphet wrote:
Go away you wouldnt know the truth if it hit you between the eyes As far as fruit goes Show me yours . How many have you won to the Lord. How many have you prayed for and they where healed. How many miracles have you been a part of. How many 3rd. world countries have you been to and preached the word of God. How many Orphans and widows have you helped or support. The proof is in the pudding how much do you have. Please go somewhere else with your false doctrine.
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Again you call this false doctrine when it has been documented in the Bible. Each point I made included supporting documentation. If you choose not to believe it thats YOUR business but before you call it false doctrine, REFUTE IT WITH SCRIPTURE! The word of God is truth. I stand behind His word and what I quoted from it. As for the questions you have asked me about winning people to the Lord, healings etc.... I will NEVER claim to have done any of these things. It is ONLY BY THE POWER OF GOD that such things are possible. If He has used me to be a part of His plan and someone was led to Him, healed, or whatever then it is for HIS glory and not for mine. It is also His business and not yours. As for the ministry that I am part of, in one years time Gods message through our songs has been heard in over 40 countries around the world. Six countries in Africa alone! Over 18,000 views of our music videos and countless number of song hits and praise God for it! Is that enough pudding for you? ETP, I have really tried to be patient with you in your ignorance. You have repeatedly insulted me and refuse to back up your claims in SCRIPTURE. Does this surprise me? Not at all, Jesus Christ brought forth the truth, it wasn't popular then either, in fact they killed Him for it! Did that stop Him? No! So you telling me to "go away" is going to make me back down from what I have said? Show me in SCRIPTURE as God inspired the Bible and not from some "traditional teaching of man" that you wish to believe and I will retract my statements. Oh thats right! You CANT! Why? Because it is TRUTH!
Luk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
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Explicit_Faith wrote:
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endtimesProphet wrote:
Go away you wouldnt know the truth if it hit you between the eyes As far as fruit goes Show me yours . How many have you won to the Lord. How many have you prayed for and they where healed. How many miracles have you been a part of. How many 3rd. world countries have you been to and preached the word of God. How many Orphans and widows have you helped or support. The proof is in the pudding how much do you have. Please go somewhere else with your false doctrine.
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Again you call this false doctrine when it has been documented in the Bible. Each point I made included supporting documentation. If you choose not to believe it thats YOUR business but before you call it false doctrine, REFUTE IT WITH SCRIPTURE! The word of God is truth. I stand behind His word and what I quoted from it. As for the questions you have asked me about winning people to the Lord, healings etc.... I will NEVER claim to have done any of these things. It is ONLY BY THE POWER OF GOD that such things are possible. If He has used me to be a part of His plan and someone was led to Him, healed, or whatever then it is for HIS glory and not for mine. It is also His business and not yours. As for the ministry that I am part of, in one years time Gods message through our songs has been heard in over 40 countries around the world. Six countries in Africa alone! Over 18,000 views of our music videos and countless number of song hits and praise God for it! Is that enough pudding for you? ETP, I have really tried to be patient with you in your ignorance. You have repeatedly insulted me and refuse to back up your claims in SCRIPTURE. Does this surprise me? Not at all, Jesus Christ brought forth the truth, it wasn't popular then either, in fact they killed Him for it! Did that stop Him? No! So you telling me to "go away" is going to make me back down from what I have said? Show me in SCRIPTURE as God inspired the Bible and not from some "traditional teaching of man" that you wish to believe and I will retract my statements. Oh thats right! You CANT! Why? Because it is TRUTH!
Luk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
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First off I have backed everything with scripture. You have not.Everything I do is for the glory of God. Im not ashamed to speak what God has done through me why are you ashamed. Maby because Secondly you are not called nor chosen to preach the Gospel. If you sing thats good as long as its anointed but just because you can sing dont mean that you are to teach. If God waunted you to teach he would have called you and after time he might have chosen you. Almost Everyone is trying to do something out of there call. Repent because you have not been chosen to teach stick to the tallent God Gave you. Thirdly look at Ephes. 4:11 (KJV) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Then look at 1 Cor. 12:29 (KJV) Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
I know my calling.;look above
Then look at Hebrews 13:7 (KJV)
Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Hebrews 13:17 (KJV)
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
Hebrews 13:24 (KJV)
Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.
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Tiff-uhh-nee wrote:
Okk my freaking comments keep disappearing...what is youfreaking problem.....i belive that one saved always saved isnt true...ok we have different beleifs.....guess what so my bro belives that one saved always saved...i dont...we dont fight or delete ppls comments or just discriminate against each other becuase of religion....FREEDOM OF SPEECH! America is a FREE COUNTRY! if your gonna act like this...go somewhere that is a control country but STOP DELETING MY OPINION....ITS MAKING ME MAD! everyone has a right to say what they belive....so stop judging others and taking my comments off.....! geesh!
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Im sorry but I cannot delete anyones commente it must be that your doing something wrong or someone from JC Faith has deleted them. Peace ,Joy and Love
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