May 13 2008, 7:20 am - By endtimesProphet

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Once saved always saved refu

May 13 2008, 7:25 am - Replied by: endtimesProphet

endtimesProphet wrote: Once saved always saved refu Click link to enter Once saved always saved refu

To everyone If you wish to debate this "osas" I would advise you to go to the link and study first because you will not be able to refute Gods word with this doctrine of devils "osas".
If you do decide to post scripture out of its context be willing to continue even in defeat, Dont just blow smoke like all the others have in the past give scripture.
Have a good day.

May 13 2008, 8:56 am - Replied by: Explicit_Faith

I have read many of your posts. All of the wisdom and truth that you wish to share is lost in the arrogance you give towards your brothers. Certainly we do not need to discuss the evils associated with pride!

You want scripture? Meditate on this for while. I will be praying for you.

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Pro 27:1 Boast not thyself of tomorrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.

May 13 2008, 11:21 am - Replied by: endtimesProphet

Explicit_Faith wrote: I have read many of your posts. All of the wisdom and truth that you wish to share is lost in the arrogance you give towards your brothers. Certainly we do not need to discuss the evils associated with pride! You want scripture? Meditate on this for while. I will be praying for you. Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Pro 27:1 Boast not thyself of tomorrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.

I agree with them all but still the doctrine of Devils has to be destroyed.
Would you care to help
By the way I dont believe one that teaches once saved always saved unconditionaly and is not obedient to Gods word is my brother at least thats what Jesus says.
Mark 3:33-35 (KJV) 
    And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? [34] And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! [35] For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Matthew 12:48-50 (KJV) 
    But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? [49] And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! [50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Be blessed

May 13 2008, 9:38 pm - Replied by: Explicit_Faith

I see where you are going with this, however I am a little disappointed with your approach. It would seem to me that the job of a teacher would be to provide the information necessary but not to try to cram it down someones throat. There are many many others out there in need of the truth without having to display an adverserial communication such as has been ongoing. It is not your job to force someone to believe the way you do, just to share the truth. Let the Holy Spirit do His job as to revealing wisdom and truth to your brothers. By constantly insisting to force your views on others you will drive more away than you will help. By consistantly degrading a brother that you are trying to "help" what kind of message does that give to others out there reading? I certainly am in favor of healthy debate and discussion. In fact, I thrive on the opportunity to share Christ's gospel and the plan of our Heavenly Father. However, to turn a discussion about our Fathers word into a personal battle with another brother insisting and insulting as has been going on in these posts is counter-productive and just a waste of valuable time. Take it in private if you want to continue to cast stones at each other.

There are certain of your teachings that I find difficulty with and I have read many of your posts. Out of decorum and respect for those that are truly here to learn I would prefer to settle these points in a more appropriate setting. In fact, I could take the same approach on some of your teachings as you have taken on others and publically call you out on the points. Would that approach interest you enough to study deeper and check out the documentation on these points? Probably not. So then, in what beneficial way would that type of conversation help? It would not benefit you, myself, and most importantly it would not benefit our Lord!

As to your comments above on who is your brother and sister. I believe that God created all man. Since I am a man then all of those created by God are my brothers and sisters. I also believe that by the grace of God through the sacrifice on the cross by our Lord and Saviour opened the door to heaven for whosoever will. John 3:16 among other places. In the verses you quoted above, yes Jesus was telling who are HIS brothers etc... but you are referring to this other member as someone that is preaching false doctrine. If in fact he is, then he would not be a brother to Christ. BUT, he is still YOUR brother. Yes, I know, we are supposed to be Christ like, however, we can only TRY to emmulate Christ and not BE Christ. Not one of us are perfect and because of that we have been given the most precious gift EVER and I praise God for that!

May 13 2008, 9:40 pm - Replied by: Explicit_Faith

As for helping, I believe I am.

I also agree that false doctrine needs to be destroyed.

The problem is that you and I can NOT destroy it, only the word of God can, the sword of truth that cuts both ways. Keep plowing!

May 13 2008, 9:43 pm - Replied by: endtimesProphet

Explicit_Faith wrote: As for helping, I believe I am. I also agree that false doctrine needs to be destroyed. The problem is that you and I can NOT destroy it, only the word of God can, the sword of truth that cuts both ways. Keep plowing!

I cannot destroy them but God has impowered me to destroy them.

May 13 2008, 9:53 pm - Replied by: endtimesProphet

Explicit_Faith wrote: I see where you are going with this, however I am a little disappointed with your approach. It would seem to me that the job of a teacher would be to provide the information necessary but not to try to cram it down someones throat. There are many many others out there in need of the truth without having to display an adverserial communication such as has been ongoing. It is not your job to force someone to believe the way you do, just to share the truth. Let the Holy Spirit do His job as to revealing wisdom and truth to your brothers. By constantly insisting to force your views on others you will drive more away than you will help. By consistantly degrading a brother that you are trying to "help" what kind of message does that give to others out there reading? I certainly am in favor of healthy debate and discussion. In fact, I thrive on the opportunity to share Christ's gospel and the plan of our Heavenly Father. However, to turn a discussion about our Fathers word into a personal battle with another brother insisting and insulting as has been going on in these posts is counter-productive and just a waste of valuable time. Take it in private if you want to continue to cast stones at each other. There are certain of your teachings that I find difficulty with and I have read many of your posts. Out of decorum and respect for those that are truly here to learn I would prefer to settle these points in a more appropriate setting. In fact, I could take the same approach on some of your teachings as you have taken on others and publically call you out on the points. Would that approach interest you enough to study deeper and check out the documentation on these points? Probably not. So then, in what beneficial way would that type of conversation help? It would not benefit you, myself, and most importantly it would not benefit our Lord! As to your comments above on who is your brother and sister. I believe that God created all man. Since I am a man then all of those created by God are my brothers and sisters. I also believe that by the grace of God through the sacrifice on the cross by our Lord and Saviour opened the door to heaven for whosoever will. John 3:16 among other places. In the verses you quoted above, yes Jesus was telling who are HIS brothers etc... but you are referring to this other member as someone that is preaching false doctrine. If in fact he is, then he would not be a brother to Christ. BUT, he is still YOUR brother. Yes, I know, we are supposed to be Christ like, however, we can only TRY to emmulate Christ and not BE Christ. Not one of us are perfect and because of that we have been given the most precious gift EVER and I praise God for that!

I see that you mean well but I have not stated one thing about scripture that is wrong If I have then show me .
Again my Brothers are those that are obedient to God.Those are the ones that will make it to Heaven no one else.
Be Blessed

May 13 2008, 10:15 pm - Replied by: Explicit_Faith

endtimesProphet wrote: I see that you mean well but I have not stated one thing about scripture that is wrong If I have then show me . Again my Brothers are those that are obedient to God.Those are the ones that will make it to Heaven no one else. Be Blessed

I will not call you out in a public forum on your teachings but will gladly discuss/debate in a private setting, IM, email, etc... I will let you choose the format.

The ones that will make it to Heaven? I believe that our Judge is God and He and only He will decide who makes it or not. When you get to Heaven by all means those that are also saved are your brothers. However, while we are HERE in the flesh, we have a responsibility to share the light of Christ to all. This ALL would be OUR brothers and sisters.

To say at this point that someone is NOT saved or NOT worthy to help is just wrong! Again, ONLY God can judge. By saying someone is NOT going to be saved before judgement is a pretty dangerous line to walk. Please pray about that.

We may say that someones actions are sinful, or that someone is sinning based upon Scripture. But neither you nor I nor anyone else knows what goes on in someones heart right before their death and repentance wipes the slate clean. I praise God that only He is my judge, for only He is worthy and pure!

May 14 2008, 6:55 am - Replied by: endtimesProphet

Explicit_Faith wrote: endtimesProphet wrote: I see that you mean well but I have not stated one thing about scripture that is wrong If I have then show me . Again my Brothers are those that are obedient to God.Those are the ones that will make it to Heaven no one else. Be Blessed I will not call you out in a public forum on your teachings but will gladly discuss/debate in a private setting, IM, email, etc... I will let you choose the format. The ones that will make it to Heaven? I believe that our Judge is God and He and only He will decide who makes it or not. When you get to Heaven by all means those that are also saved are your brothers. However, while we are HERE in the flesh, we have a responsibility to share the light of Christ to all. This ALL would be OUR brothers and sisters. To say at this point that someone is NOT saved or NOT worthy to help is just wrong! Again, ONLY God can judge. By saying someone is NOT going to be saved before judgement is a pretty dangerous line to walk. Please pray about that. We may say that someones actions are sinful, or that someone is sinning based upon Scripture. But neither you nor I nor anyone else knows what goes on in someones heart right before their death and repentance wipes the slate clean. I praise God that only He is my judge, for only He is worthy and pure!

Again My brothers are them that obey God if someone repents they are obeying God.Pay more attention.
You have already said enough so if you have more I would like to hear it.

May 14 2008, 8:30 am - Replied by: Explicit_Faith

I read your posts carefully. To me that would be a sign of paying attention.

I have also taken the time to ask questions, provide commentary and documentation for my statements. This documentation comes from the word of God. I do not rely on research done by scholars or any other man unless it falls completely in line with the word of God.

You have shown a lack of compassion for your brothers. You have belittled others on this site besides me. I do not wish to tolerate that kind of treatment from you or engage you in an adversarial format. To me that is not Christian or edifying to our Lord.

I have done what I have felt led to do in sharing the fact that we are all brothers and sisters while in the flesh. If you choose not to believe this, that is your decision. Christ didn't come to help the healthy, He came to help the sick. I pray that the Holy Spirit of God will come to you and give you His wisdom in regards to who we are here to help and the Christian way to go about it.

If you choose not to help those that you feel are lost, that is your choice. But I will have no part in that.